Nov 26

Musing on the whining shites on the radio complaining about speed cameras being a “stealth tax”. Oops did I show a bias?

The attitude mystified me at first. My gut response was: if you don’t want to get fined, DON’T SPEED. IT’S ALREADY ILLEGAL. Don’t complain about getting charged for doing something illegal.

I’ve been reluctant to blog this one, as there are so many facets and gotchas to the subject that it won’t be covered satisfactorily in a single post and will likely end in much wailing and gnashing of teeth. But I didn’t have any other thoughts even half-finished today so I thought I’d have a stab at this one.

The most amazing thing to me is the way the police are now at the mercy of public opinion and feel they have to sell speed cameras (erm, safety cameras) to us.

Oh, we only put them on accident blackspots, and we paint them bright yellow so you can drive recklessly when you know you’re not going to get caught.

Translation: speeding is fine except in these particular locations.

Correction: SPEEDING IS ALREADY ILLEGAL. DON’T DO IT AND YOU WON’T PAY FINES

What about the poor souls who don’t realise they are speeding? There is a very real issue here, in that “the regulations” forbid putting up 30 MPH signs in a 30 limit (except where it’s the end of a 20 limit) this has an economic justification: 30 IS the national speed limit in built-up areas, so it is a waste of money to erect signs to that effect. I think this is misguided and local authorities should be allowed to put up reinforcing signs where they know people can tend to speed (dual carriageway? wide straight road entering outskirts of town?)

Why don’t speed cameras stop people speeding. Here’s a psychological mechanism by which we are encouraged to speed: If we don’t speed, we don’t get caught. But that guy’s speeding and he’s beaten me through the lights. That guy’s speeding and he’s passed this dirty great lorry I’m stuck behind. Speeding has clear and visible benefits. It takes an unusual or even abnormal amount of self-control not to speed. So most of us do. When the camera gets us, it’s SO much more unfair, because what is the alternative? Willingly making yourself weaker than your fellow road user? Allowing people to OVERTAKE you?

OK so I descended into satire by the end of that paragraph, but these petty insecurities are there, in the little shrew brain buried deep within your complex human one. It’s called peer pressure. Everybody’s doing 80 on the motorways. I drive a small car and much below 70 makes me very nervous as there are more hazards approaching in my mirrors than in front of me where I can see clearly. Answer? Accelerate. Put the majority of hazards in your windscreen and deal with them.

Now put that all on hold, and imagine an alternative world, where that peer pressure is removed. You see a 50 sign and you slow gently to 50 MPH as do all the people around you. you don’t feel anxious, weak, disadvantaged, insecure, but cosy, co-operating with the other traffic in patiently tolerating this minor speed reduction.

Seems to me the key item to deal with is the perceived fairness of the situation. Eliminating peer pressure is one important component. How do you stop people speeding?

ENFORCE SPEED LIMITS

If you knew that speeding would cost you money, you wouldn’t do it. There wouldn’t be any sense of injustice in being passed by someone who was speeding, you’d thing “poor sod, that’s going to cost him an arm and a leg”. For all I care, put the police on a bonus scheme the more speeding tickets they issue. Let them keep 10%.

IF YOU DON’T SPEED YOU WON’T GET FINED

There’s scope for corruption there, but less than you might think, since the police don’t get to choose where the speed limits and signs go. This brings us to the second important component of perceived fairness:

FAIR LIMITS AND CLEAR SIGNS

20 limits outside schools should apply only at times when children are present, and have a light to indicate when the 20 limit does NOT apply. Why “not”? Because if the light fails, you don’t want people to be caught speeding without knowing they were speeding.

Add 10-15 MPH to speed limits on motorways and trunk roads

Allow 30 sign to be repeated where local authorities deem appropriate

There would be a LOT of debugging to do with the nation’s signs. Our current culture allows us to disregard signs we think are not justified. We would need a channel to report issues with signs, preferably where we could find out the progress of our suggestion. Hmm… where can we- oo look! the internet!

If we were to put as much effort into improving the placement of our speed limits as we currently do at haranguing the police about enforcing them, it’d be looking very good in a year or two, and near defect-free in five.

HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT?

Many more speed cameras. Call them speed cameras not safety cameras. IF YOU DO NOT SPEED, YOU WILL NOT PAY. A system like the P�age on french autoroutes: you take a ticket on the on-ramp, and you present it on the off-ramp. If that ticket made its journey too fast, you sped. This is far safer than a speed camera since it reduces your average speed. of course this can be abused by stopping at services for a meal to increase your time, but then prices at motorway services are punitive anyway.

HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT THIS?

This would involve a culture change in the British driver. The Brit mentality values fairness above the law (visit the USA if you disagree). A phased implementation could easily descend into chaos, whereas an instant implementation would be impossible. I think zones should be created in which the new rules apply, and all signs within that area simply be tagged with a red rectangle with STRICT written in it. This could be applied to traffic lights today, but that’s a separate blog entry.


8 comments so far...

  • Carol Said on November 26th, 2004 at 14:48:

    There are two things that bother me about speed cameras:

    1) The way they keep harping on about how it’s speed that kills. It is NOT ONLY speed that kills. Putting an idiot in charge of a ton of moving metal is what kills people. Sure, speed has something to do with it, but isn’t the only thing. Why don’t they police people who don’t obey the rules of the road (those ignore give way/stop lines, or who decide that they’ll drive in the bus lane because it’s nice and empty, regardless of the fact that some poor sap has to give way to them to turn left across the lane or those who can’t be bothered to work junctions properly), or who hog the middle lane of motorways).

    2) The police seem to be allowed to speed just fine, but that’s ok because they’re ‘trained’ drivers. If it’s OK to be trained and go at speed, why don’t they offer that to everyone else then?

    Oh, and the police are obviously immune to dying too; I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen them not wearing seatbelts.

  • Paul G0TLG Said on November 26th, 2004 at 15:05:

    Carol’s right, speed isn’t the only contributing factor to road deaths. Speed cameras are an easy way to enforce one law: They’d make a much greater contribution to road safety if they could be adjusted so they nabbed “tailgaters” as well as / instead of speeders.

    People disobey speed limits because they have no respect for them: People don’t respect speed limits because so often they’re set to pacify some loony local pressure group, rather than actually considering road conditions.

    And personally, I think people would respect cameras more if they were sensibly placed: Near me are two sets of long-term roadworks (latest estimate >1 year to complete), with a long straight unobstructed stretch of road in between. The whole section of road has been made 30 MPH (from 50 MPH) for the duration. Guess where the speed camera is?

    I could go on, but I won’t!

  • Rich Said on November 26th, 2004 at 15:35:

    Ooh a nice controversial blog.
    For what it’s worth I agree. I find people whining on the radio that speed cameras are unfair incredibly annoying. It seems to me people just want to pick which laws they can be subject to at will.

    I’m afraid I don’t agree entirely with my learned colleage and business partner Carol. Yes, deaths are caused by more factors than speed alone but I fail to see how this is this justification not to have speed limits. They should be doing thos other sthings she mentions *in addition* to the speed limit stuff, not *instead of*.

  • Lisa Said on November 27th, 2004 at 10:06:

    Interesting observation: when the last petrol strike was on, we had to drive to Gatwick. I drove at about 60mph the whole way in an attempt to save as much fuel as possible. No idea if that was effective but that’s not the issue.

    The point is - for the whole journey the roads were fairly clear and I was barely ever overtaken. All is needed is the right motivation.

  • Kouros Said on November 27th, 2004 at 10:07:

    In my view, you are quite right about at least one thing: a culture change would be needed to have any sort of effect. As Carol states, sometime even the police flout the rules (I have a friend in the force, and just last night she indicated her disdain for them: “Traffic [cops] aren’t real police anyway” - but then, she has just got divorced from her traffic cop ex-husband.

    I agree about having speed limits, but I would argue in favour of being stricter on bad drivers - none of this points malarky, if you get fined you can’t drive again until you retake (and pass) your test.

    I’ve said it before, and I reckon it would mean that I would be one of those who couldn’t drive because of it, but thems the breaks. Driving is a priviledge, not a right and I think too many people (myself included) treat it as the latter.

  • lordhutton Said on November 27th, 2004 at 19:53:

    I thyink I agree with you. If you are speeding, and you get caught by a camera, then TOUGH, you were breaking the law. Second, speed limits should always be relevant, and there are people out there who actually know what they are doing when they impose limits. Third, more accidents happen in urban areas than on motorways. There is definitely a case for anti tailgating detectors, but it is urban speeders that need targetting (ie boyracers that speed up shopping streets)

  • Lorri Said on November 30th, 2004 at 15:10:

    I’m with you on this one sw - if you don’t break the law, you don’t get fined. If you do, you will.

    I’m also in favour of compulsory re-testing of drivers, especially Old Drivers, before letting them use their cars. Not as strict as the newbie test but something every 10-15 years (or more often for ODs) to make sure you aren’t dangerous. I see far too many lunatics on the road.

  • Stu Said on December 2nd, 2004 at 09:53:

    I used to be fully in support of speed cameras. Everywhere if possible. Then I was done for speeding by one hiding round a corner. I am still fully in support of speed cameras. I was speeding, I got caught. If I wasn’t, I wouldn’t.

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